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Wednesday, November 30, 2011

No Eggs Yet

 

by Meredith Chilson

I’m frustrated, irritated, discouraged, and a bit concerned. I have 18 laying hens. No, I have 18 hens. ONE of them is laying. The others, the Buff Orpingtons and Rhodies – the ones that have faithfully given me enough eggs for my family, and the neighbors, and the neighbors’ families — those girls began to molt about two months ago, and haven’t yet begun to lay again. I don’t think they’re interested in that job any more. The nest boxes – all but one — haven’t even had a visitor. The straw that makes such nice, sweet-smelling nests hasn’t been inspected or disturbed.

The only hen that’s giving me eggs is my little black Silkie, Le-A (that’s pronounced luh-DASH-uh — the naming process for this girl is a story for another time). Le-A is a special chicken. I bought her as a day-old chick, along with five others, from a lady who lives farther out in the country than I do. Le-A and Missy, an angry spotted hen, are the only two left; the others had medical (cross bills and weak knees) and mental (more anger issues) problems and ended up … well, where well-fed problem chickens end up around here — in a “cooler climate.”


Le-A is a friendly little hen. She talks a LOT. If I’m cleaning the floor of the coop, she’s perched on a water jug near my ear clucking about something. Chicken gossip? I’m not sure. Many evenings when I’m headed in to shut the coop door, I can hear her “buhk, buhk, buhk” as I come near the coop. She hums and purrs and compliments me on every treat I bring to the coop, too.

She’s near the bottom of the pecking order. She’s much smaller than the rest of the hens, and one of the last to come to the flock, so she must wait when I toss grain or greens out to them. Sometimes she’ll dart in to grab something, and then run to hide behind me until she’s swallowed it.

Perhaps because she has to take what’s left over, or maybe just because she’s a chicken, Le-A isn’t careful about what she eats. One day this past summer, I noticed that her crop was extremely engorged. She had trouble getting onto the roost at night, and was obviously uncomfortable. To be honest, I thought she was going to explode. I read chicken advice books, checked the Internet, and talked to my local farmer to see what to do. I had traced the cause to a pile of hay that had gotten mixed in with the straw bedding. A chicken’s crop often cannot handle long grasses — they wad up and sort of ferment rather than digest. My resources suggested a few things: massage, surgery, and my farmer’s advice: “She’ll either get over it or she won’t.”

For three days — several times each day — I massaged Le-A’s crop. She loved the attention, but it didn’t seem to do much good. (According to the books, I had to be very careful while massaging her so that she wouldn’t vomit and aspirate.) I couldn’t even imagine how to tackle the surgery suggestion: “Carefully open the chicken’s crop, remove the impacted fibers, open out the crop and rinse it with salt water, stitch back together.” How in the world would I be able to get a chicken to hold still while I did something like that? I was much more certain that it would cause ME to vomit and possibly aspirate. So I continued to massage (gently) and wait.

One evening I noticed that Le-A was sitting on the roost again. The next morning, she ran out of the coop with barely a “good morning.” Her crop was soft and much smaller. My farmer friend was right, as usual.

Le-A still loves a nice rub-down. And, as I mentioned before, Le-A is the only hen in my flock that’s laying eggs. They’re not very big (my neighbor calls them “sparrow eggs”), but they’re keeping me from having to do something that I haven’t had to do in three years: buy eggs.

What do you think? Should I try giving the other girls a massage and see if that convinces them to produce?

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16 Comments:

  • As I understand, you just have to wait them out after a molt. And considering the time of year, they may not lay again until spring.

    And from other stuff I've read, if a farm animal needs surgery, it's usually done by a vet.
    Glad your chicken got better, though!

    By Blogger LindaG, At December 1, 2011 6:00 AM  

  • Yes, here in North America most chickens won't lay in the winter. The days are too short, and their egg-laying is tied to hours of sunlight. From the hen's point of view, this makes sense. No one wants to have babies when the weather is so cold.

    If you have electricity in the coop (or can run an extension cord), try putting a light on a timer so that the chickens receive 14 hours of "daylight" every day. They should start laying again in a few weeks.

    By Blogger Leslie, At December 2, 2011 12:29 PM  

  • Thanks for another great post about molting. I am also tired of purchasing eggs at the grocery store and then driving to the feed store to buy chicken feed! Our seven hens have not given us an egg all week.

    I just put a CFL bulb out in the coop, but it has only been on for three days. I'm hoping that the increase in light will encourage them to get back to business. I'll let you know if it works.

    By Blogger Jennifer, At December 3, 2011 2:37 PM  

  • I had the same problem only my 28 hens quit in the fall. No reason, they just quit. Vacation time in the old hen house. I tried everything, nothing worked. Then it got cold and the extra door in the hen house got drafty so I made them a quilt for the door to help keep them warmer at night. Next day the eggs started coming. We're up to a dozen a day. Was it the quilt? Who knows!

    By Blogger edna Kotrola, At December 13, 2011 8:44 AM  

  • I leave a light on in my chicken house for the required amount of light hours. Also I feed my chickens som eextra protein Meat of some sort or cat food. But if trying to be GMO free then you will need to go with meat scraps. They need protein. Our chickens free range plus get all the scraps at our house and a little commercial chicken feed.

    By Blogger *~*~*~*~Tonia, At December 13, 2011 8:46 AM  

  • The earliest layers, I believe, are Rhode Island Red hens, and they usually begin laying at 22 weeks. When the birds molt you won't get any eggs for a few weeks. My laying flock is getting onto 3 years old now, and, with 7 hens left I am averaging 2 eggs/day. Even last winter I was averaging 5eggs/day, so they are slowing down.
    Obviously your chickens are also your pets, so you probably won't appreciate my advice. When they get to be a few years old you will want to replace them. We got a free Welsummer rooster (actually 5, but we ate 4 of them) in September, 2010 and we incubated 3 settings of eggs this summer from he and my 10 RIR laying hens. The purpose is to replace my laying flock, which we intend to eat, as well. After eating the younger roosters we have 14 young hens. The 2 hens which hatched the first week of June are laying about 10 small eggs/week, and starting laying 3 weeks ago. In another week I'm expecting the 5 hens that hatched in the first week of July to begin laying. The last 7 young hens, hatched in mid-August will probably begin laying around February.
    I traded birds with a friend and my 14 hens live with 2 roosters that are about 9 months old, were raised together and they don't fight each other. I believe that it's not good to inbreed. My young hens are RIR/Welsummer crosses. The chicks next year will be outcrossed more--neither rooster is Welsummer nor RIR. Everyone I talked to has suggested replacing your laying stock every year to insure a good volume of eggs.

    By Blogger ducks4you, At December 13, 2011 9:28 AM  

  • I ran into the same problems with my hens. They all stopped laying after my English Bulldog got a hold of one who managed to stick it's head out of the coop. That was a fatal mistake. I figured the other hens were stressed out and make sure I kept the dog away from them, but they still would not lay eggs.
    I then added a light in their coop and even bought a better brand of feed, but nothing worked. I gave them extra calcium hoping that would help them produce eggs, but that had no effect. I truly have no idea why they stopped laying all at the same time.

    Needles to say they all ended up in the freezer and I am starting a new flock.

    By Blogger Harleyxx, At December 13, 2011 9:28 AM  

  • I agree with all the other post here. My concern is the cross bill and weak knees. Cross bill is usually associated with in-breeding. You should have a different rooster for every new brood of hatchlings. Cross bill can also be assoicated with toxins, like pesticides, radiation, oil spills, etc., and contaminated feed such as mold, pesticides and viruses. Weak knees are usually caused by genetic altering of the chicken to produce bigger chickens. Too much fat in the feed will make this problem worse. Commercial feed is loaded with Round-Up which is a problem. It is getting to the point where if we want healthy animals we have to grow our own food for them! Organic is not easy but is better. Growing corn for our chicken is not hard. Soaking the organic ears in hot water and throwing it to the chicken is something I have done for years. I have even gone as far as freezing the corn, shuck and all, defrosting it and giving it to the chickens in the winter. Very easy but takes up a lot of room in freezer. Putting boards down in coup gives a place for natural chicken food to hide and all you have to do is raise the boards and watch the chickens go nuts! Raising worms is excellant for chickens. Great protien, along with crickets and such. Saturating an area with water brings the worms up if you don't want to raise worms. My chickens like flowers too like dandelions, roses, sunflower seeds (hulled), crushed pecans and the like.

    By OpenID Windy, At December 13, 2011 10:46 AM  

  • There could be a few reasons why 'no eggs'. 1) some breeds after molting take longer to return to egg laying then others. Best to research which ones have a brief molt. Try www.mypetchicken.com. 2) nutrition. I feed my chickies organic feed but supplement their diet with oyster shells for calcium; add sunflower seeds, barley and wheat to the feed. I also soak mung beans and barley for a few days to sprout. They love this. Occasional rooster booster and mash in the evenings with warm milk. Greens from the organic grocery store a few times a week. 3) egg eating. Just one hen can teach the rest to eat their eggs and its almost impossible to break the habit. If you see balls of yellow in the coop, chances are its leftovers from egg eating. Eggs need to be gathered several times a day or cull the flock. 4) parasites. Even fleas and lice can so irritate the flock that they can get sick or stressed. 5) traumatic event. It can take months before they calm down. A snake in the coop took weeks for my hens to lay normally again. 6) egg hiding. If you free range your hens, then they might be laying out and about outside the coop. Keep them in the coop and see. 7) Too fat to lay. If you feed them too much cracked corn, this will make them fat. I only feed the scratch in the evening on cold nights to help them keep warm. In the summer, its an occasional treat. Treat like a snack. 8) Light. In the winter, hens don't get the 14 hours of light that stimulates them to lay eggs. But my flock laid regardless in the first two months of winter every day in their first year. But you can use a light bulb for 2-3 hours after sunset....These are the usual problems with absence of eggs. Hope that helps.

    By Blogger Tashi108, At December 13, 2011 12:35 PM  

  • I have 6 hens, 3 Easter Eggers, 3 Red Stars. My stars started laying at 17 weeks old. Those EE'ers took forever! They didn't start until week 23-24. The stars lay extremely well in winter but those EE'ers don't lay much at all when it gets a little chilly. Silly girls!

    By Blogger Carla, At December 13, 2011 4:30 PM  

  • Hi Meredith, Loved your article!

    I have 7 new girls--Salmon Faveroles--and two older gals, a Plymouth Barred Rock--"Ms Dash", and a Buff Orpington--"Aunt Buffy". They are all laying well and I get about 4 to 6 eggs a day. My new gals are 7 months old and laying their little pullet eggs, which they just started doing about 2 to 3 weeks ago. The older gals, seeing they had competition decided they better keep up their egg production too. I live in Southern Maine, and right around the time they started laying, I had put a light out in their shed on a timer to go on at about 3:45 AM, and off at 8 AM, then on again in the eve at 4:00 PM until about 7 PM. And like I said, I am getting some good production from them.

    I feed my girls organic laying pellets that I get from my local Blue Seal feed store, and even got them some organic scratch for the cold months. (my older gals can tell the difference between organic scratch, and non-organic!) They turned their noses up at the non-organic scratch, especially the cracked corn in it! I also feed them some greens I will buy organic from my grocery store or farmers market--Kale, swiss chard, spinach, etc. along with food scraps from our table. Yes they are spoiled, and I like to know what is going into my eggs that I ultimately eat.

    When they first started laying I would find their eggs out in the fenced yard, or under the roost, and even by their water can. One day I almost stepped on one right inside the front door. It was like an easter egg hunt every day! But it seems they finally caught on by watching the older gals, and now go pretty consistently in the nest boxes. I'll occasionally find one on the floor under the nest box but that's only because the one hen keeps her business end positioned outside the nest. So far they have not molted--knock on wood--but I know what to look for when they do, and hopefully they will wait til spring when it warms up a little in these parts.

    By Blogger ByrdWomyn, At December 13, 2011 6:37 PM  

  • Looks like everyone posted the same fact - that it is normal for hens to stop laying in the winter - it has more to do with less sunlight and a bit to do with cold temperatures. Supermarket Factory Farmed eggs are from chickens who lead miserable lives in with I call "Poultry Penal Colony" with FORCED MOLTING that kicks up their laying ability but makes the hens miserable. Another practice with conventionally raised Factory Farmed laying hens is de-beaking the hens - just gruesome and hard to understand why the govt allows this to happen.

    just be patient and you will have eggs in the spring through end of summer.

    i used to have laying hens but moved out of my house with a backyard into an apt bldg with no place to raise hens. I get my eggs from a friend and her birds go out of egg production in December and we live in sunny warm california where it is 55 to 60 degrees in the winter - but still no eggs until springtime.

    hens need a rest from egg laying but you still have to feed them - i think if you buy 100% organic feed, soy free, don't buy the cheap pellets (less nutritious) but feed your hens whole grain chicken mash - factoring no eggs in cold weather it works out cheaper to buy organic eggs at $6 for natural food store like Whole Foods or your local coop - up to $7 to $8 a dozen if you buy eggs from a local chicken rancher who is organic.

    Either raising your own eggs or buying them from a natural food store it is still the all time lowest cost of animal protein around. organic eggs are a MUCH lower carbon footrpint compared to organic chicken, turkey, beef - turns out organic grass fed lamb has a HIGHER carbon footprint than organic beef. I found this out from Environmental Working Group website www.ewg.org hard to believe but true! EWG had a team of scientists and environmentalists research the carbon footprint of all organic livestock. It is a fascinating study - bottom line - the more nutrient dense the food is - the higher the carbon footprint - for example, lettuce and cucumbers have a lower carbon footprint than lentils and broccoli, but who can live on lettuce and cucumbers? not even the strictest vegan!

    By Blogger BeanAfficiando, At December 13, 2011 9:16 PM  

  • Oh my gosh! What great comments and suggestions! Still no eggs here, but I've found a local source so I can do some baking. All great ideas--I don't have electricity in my coop, nor do I have an extension cord long enough to reach, so adding light isn't an option. I've been feeding greens & oatmeal (with raisins and pecans) mixed with warm milk--maybe I should add more protein. These girls are mostly 3 years old, and I knew I should have gotten babies this past spring. I'm trying to be patient--but I'm also wondering if they might have parasites. I think that's what I'll research next, while I'm waiting for the days to become longer. Thanks for all the insight and information!

    By Blogger Meredith, At December 13, 2011 10:25 PM  

  • I agree with some of the other posters that suggest getting "new" girls. After the molt, they may or may not begin laying again. Even if they start laying again, the eggs will come smaller and further apart. I get a few new girls every spring and invite the old girls to dinner.

    By Blogger Bantam Blog, At December 14, 2011 7:24 AM  

  • If you suspect parasites, research diatomaceous earth foodgrade. I have been using the same 40 lb bag for 4 years now. I will probably need to purchase a new one this spring. I pay $50 a bag from a guy that has a pest service that uses chemical free products for those of us that prefer this type of treatments. Adding a 3% amount to food ratio will increase calcium to the shells and wipe out internal parasites without harming your chickens. I give the dog and cat a weekly dose in some yogurt, and tried some myself just to see. Kind of gritty, chalky, slightly reminsent of dirt. Yum. As far as getting the 3% ratio down, I carefully scoop out a handful and stir it into the bucket of food. Not very scientific, but seems to do the trick. I also dust the coop with it in one of those garden powder duster things. I purchased it from a garden center. It is also good in the garden for bugs. It is extremely fine single celled diatoms that are. . .um, what is that thing called when its like a dinosaur bone or wood that turned to stone? Where's my coffee cup? Something is wrong in my brain this morning! Anyway, google it and it will come up with several articles and you can decide for yourself. The only caution I could find was don't breathe it. Something about causing damage to the little filial hairs in your lungs. Enjoy the hens and roos! Kornmamma

    By Blogger Kornmamma, At December 15, 2011 8:55 AM  

  • I suspect a great deal of the problem has to do with the age of the hens. Most hens don't lay so regularly past the age of two. When I have had chickens before (used to keep up to 30 hens at a time and sold eggs) when egg production slowed down I would do the 3 finger test to see which ones were probably still laying. Anyone I could press 3 fingers width across the vent opening went into a chicken tractor in the garden for a few days. Sometimes just being out there on their own with extra bugs and green stuff got them to laying again. Anyone that didn't lay at least 3 eggs in 5 days went to become canned chicken broth. This would usually be around late fall and winter when moulting and lower light levels cause production to slack off. Most of these would be older hens in their 3rd year. I'd buy new chicks in the spring to replace them.

    By Blogger Mary Hysong, At December 18, 2011 8:06 AM  

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