If you have chickens, you have a battle with poop. And if you're getting chickens, you'll soon find out.
I found that out last year when we bought our first mature laying hens ...

The first thing they did when we got them into the kennel to take home was to lay the biggest, foulest-smelling, fist-sized poop. I thought we may have made a huge mistake; there was no way we could have eight chickens pooping that much around our property! Researching poultry health and nutrition led me to
this thread on the
BackYardChickens.com (BYC) forum, and that led to a friendship with the author, a wildlife biologist.

One important point I've learned from my wildlife biologist friend is that an accumulation of poop and feather dander in your birds’ living quarters is unhealthy. I also discovered that what and how we were feeding our chickens was unhealthy. I started our chickens on
Forage Cakes and amended their layer pellets with
Ultra Kibble. The result is smaller, harder, walnut-sized, low-odor poop.
We got our food and water out of the coop and off the ground, and I constructed a "Poop Hammock" under their roost. The Poop Hammock is just that: A hammock hanging under the roost that collects poop. The apparatus was born from ideas gathered from email correspondence with my wildlife biologist friend. He suggested fabric tied under the roosts, preferably shade cloth.
For my Poop Hammock, you'll first need to construct your roost. Chickens would roost high off the ground on a branch, so if your chickens aren't too overweight, try giving them things to hop/fly up and down from (and get rid of those ridiculous ladders!). Make their roost at least a few feet off the ground. Mine has a lower bar 2 feet off the ground and the upper roost 4 feet off the ground. They roost on the higher one. I will replace the 2x4's with perfect, straight but undulating branches ... when I find them.
Once your roost is constructed (or reconstructed), measure for your fabric width, adding 2 inches (1 inch on each side) to fold and sew the edge. Measure between poles, dipping the tape about 12 inches below the lower bar and adding about 8 inches to that for the rod-pocket, depending on what type of rod you use (4" on each end). I used 1"x2"s.

The shade cloth I use is from Home Depot and cost about $30. If you're a fancy sewer or know someone who has the ability to create side gussets, that's what I did. They're just side panels that hold the poop in the hammock.
I've had people ask me how I train the chickens to poop in the hammock. Ha, I wish! Chickens naturally put themselves to bed at dusk, and from that time until dawn (when they're roosting), they'll poop. The Poop Hammock just catches that poop! No poop on the floor.
Use eye-bolts screwed into the tops of the 1"x2" s, cutting small holes in the shade cloth and burning the holes to prevent fraying. Match the eye-bolt positions to mark placement of the hooks you'll attach to the lower edge of the roost poles.
For easy, monthly cleanup: Unhook the Poop Hammock and carry it like a burrito out to the compost. Wear a mask and if your chicken poop is like ours, when you shake it the dried poop will just CRUMBLE out! I'll spray out any smears and occasionally use a push broom and some dish soap. It all takes less than 10 minutes. Really, no joke.

In keeping with the "keeping it clean" idea, let's move on to food and water.
First off, get your food and water OUT of the coop! If you read the
thread I spoke about on the BYC forum, you will have read about the "poultry smut" in the coop and how dangerous it is for your birds. They can breathe it in, it collects on their beaks when preening, and it can contaminate their water, which they drink! Get their water off the ground and out of the coop. Chickens need clean water, just like you do. You're eating their eggs or their meat. Contaminated water creates unhealthy, infected birds.
We live in the mountains so we use a heated base that has a built-in thermostat that heats at freezing temperatures. The watering station is on an elevated base of river rock, and I also use river rock around the outside of the outdoor, covered run (that cuts down on dust getting in the water on windy days). I can also just hose down any poop around the waterer.

I amend the food with
Ultra Kibble and have it in a feeder placed on an upside-down planter, off the ground. I placed rocks around the base, which the chickens stand on to reach the food. If any food falls to the ground, it falls between the planter and the rocks. They can reach it with their beaks, but they can't walk through it or poop on it. I also don't feed them anything on the ground. Chickens work for their food ... If you've ever let them out into your garden, you see how they dig deep and wide, and then use their beaks even further, pushing the dirt out of the way to find insects and worms. There isn't poop on it. If you just throw food out (over poop), like "scratch," they don't work for it. It's just right there and yes, they will eat it, even if it's laying on poop. That's gross! No thanks. That's not a "treat," that's a recipe for infection! If you want to give them a treat, set up a foraging table or bench and get some
Forage Cakes, which will get them healthier and reduce their poop size and odor!

Some ideas on a foraging table or bench.

Get your chickens moving, the more up and down, the healthier they are. Do a quick search on the respiratory system of a chicken and you'll see how important that is. Chickens need to move their chest with their muscles, jumping, hopping and flying up and down.

The next best thing in keeping your coop healthy, is keeping it safe!
I used hardware cloth for my outdoor run panels and gates. I also dug 2 feet down and 2 feet out around the entire perimeter of the coop and run. The roof is corrugated PVC panels, which let light in but keep the run dry. When we're on vacation or gone all day, I know they're safe. We put so much money and time into raising healthy birds ... what a shame it would be to lose an entire flock! Our chickens also have more outdoor foraging area that I let them utilize just about every day. I'll cover that in another blog post in the future.
Labels: backyard chickens, Chickens, Coops, feeders, Michelle Tullis
12 Comments:
in my experience, for those with small flocks, a movable coop is the answer to the poop dilemma. i have six hens in an a-frame coop with wheels that i move around the yard. i have had them since april i move them once or twice a day and i have yet to clean poop off the yard. i've cleaned the coop itself twice but there is little poop collection areas other than the nests, which they don't seem to prefer to poop in anyway. this is my first experience with chickens too, so i am very pleased!
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brobry, At
July 12, 2011 6:30 AM
I love the poop hammock idea, brilliant! But I have to mention that if you find some branches for roosts make sure you strip the bark off of them first, if you don't you will have a mite problem as they like to burrow in the bark. My poor chickens legs were all messed up until I realized that was the problem.
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Marie, At
July 12, 2011 7:12 AM
This is a good idea; I think I may try putting the water outside on rocks for the summer and maybe building a forage bench, too. We live in the part of the country that gets LOTS of snow in the winter, as well as below zero temps, often for a week at a time. Those are the long days when my birds are inside all day. I use hanging feeders; the water is elevated on a [cement] block, and I could probably build a small forage table, too, but I know my girls would perch on it and poop on it, too. Any suggestions?
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Meredith, At
July 12, 2011 7:19 AM
I just clean their small coop everyday. No poop accumulating, no odor. It takes me 5 minutes to rake the straw and poop out the door, onto a rake, which I then carry to the the compost and dump. About once a week, I put a small amount of clean sawdust under their roost to keep things dry. And then top with clean straw. People can't believe how sweet-smelling and clean the coop is. This is what works for me with six Buff Orpingtons in a small coop. I love your foraging feeder idea!
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Melody, At
July 12, 2011 8:35 AM
I like your ideas for outside feeding and making opportunities for the chickens to actively get their food. I use the wood shaving method in my large coop (10 hens) which I rake daily and add to until the shavings are about 8" deep overall. Every six months I clean out and replace all of the litter completely and I must say there is no odor from droppings at all using this method. Also, during our subzero winters the deep litter gives the girls a place to burrow a bit for added warmth. I should mention that our main floor is concrete which we poured in a 10' x 12' shed.
Also, to add to the above post, I've found that my chickens will poop on anything that they can stand on, period! No stopping them, so we've put slanted movable tops on anything we didn't want them to perch on in the coop. That has worked wonderfully.
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Shelley, At
July 12, 2011 8:43 AM
Here's another (no sew) idea for a poop sling. I used an old tarp (free!) that had been used over the run and the rings had torn off. I folded the tarp to the size I needed and used baling twine (saved from hay and straw bales - also free) to tie loops on all four corners. Then I hung it from screw hooks on my free-standing roost. No sewing! It was easy to remove to dump it, the majority of the poop came off easily because of the fabric flex, and I could hose off the remainder. The gussets would be nice, but I didn't have much poop loss without them. I didn't use boards on the edges, so I could bring the corners together like a bag. I also liked that I could hang it flat over a fence for cleaning (no corners for poop to hide in).
Since moving your food outside, have you had problems with other animals getting into it? I like the idea of the rocks under the waterer. Mine hangs but they still manage to kick dust into it.
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starlogva, At
July 12, 2011 10:11 AM
Here in Northern California, we have hot summers and rainy winters. I find that poop is more of a problem in the winter when it gets wet. In the summer, it's at least able to dry out and is easier to clean-out.
I love the idea of the "poop hammock"! I also appreciate the river rocks - we have been looking for another flooring idea and that might just be the ticket.
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chickensforeggs@gmail.com, At
July 12, 2011 3:25 PM
I like the idea of the hammock and even have a couple spare tarps I can use for the nighttime roosts my girls use. We do have a different situation than most...our coop is also used in the daytime because the nest boxes are in there - during the winter the eggs would freeze if we let the girls lay outside. Still, we hang the food and water with hanging feeders, use the deep litter method for the bedding, and rake frequently between cleanings. We use lime and DE under the bedding. We've never had a sick bird and their eggs are great. As for the feed, well, there's no way I can afford those forage cakes for 20 birds. That's out of our budget. We feed Buckeye Nutrition 20% layer pellets - it keeps the girls from pulling the roo's blood feathers out and decreases aggression, which we had noticed with lower protein foods. We supplement on occasion with scratch grains, mixed with corn in the winter to help keep them warmer at night; they also get extras from the garden in the summer and fall. I hang a cabbage for them to pick at a couple times a month - hubby fashioned a steel rod with a bit of threading on one end for me to run through the cabbage; I put a washer and wingnut on the end and then hang it from a chain in the run. They pick at it and it swings back and forth - it keeps them entertained and they love the cabbage itself. In the summer they get watermelon as well especially when it's really hot to increase fluid consumption. I feel my birds have a varied diet and are pretty healthy overall, even if they do have nasty poop.
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Trisha, At
July 13, 2011 3:01 AM
thanks everyone for your feedback-exciting to get everyone talking and seeing different options.
brobry-the thing that bothers me about mobile coops is the fact that they keep a chicken on the ground. From my experience, chickens need and do jump and hop up on logs and branches searching out insects and food. It's essential for healthy birds.
Marie-oh yes-I'm sure... I live at a high altitude. No fleas or mites here ;)
Meredith-we also live at altitude and continue to have our food outside under shelter. The waterer is on a warmer. For the forage table-they get up there and work for food.
Shelley-sounds like your doing the "deep litter method". I did some research on it before we got our chickens and from what I learned-it's just not healthy... I'll try to post some links to threads on it. No disrespect-just isn't what I do. Mareks would be something to worry about.
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/viral_diseases.htm
http://www.backyardchickens.com/LC-diseases.html
starlogva-yep-we have mice-but we had them before. We mistakingly killed a skunk early on-which I've learned-keep the rodents down. I've seen the chickens with mice playing keep away. It's a food source-mice and small frogs would be a natural source of food for them.
Trisha-actually a Forage Cake per 20 birds would last you a couple months I bet. "nasty poop"? Doesn't have to be.
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Michelle Tullis, At
July 14, 2011 9:55 PM
Enjoyed reading all the posts. For my coop my husband built a "trap door" where I can be outside, raise the trap door and rake all the poop into a wheel barrow or a bucket. This is just SO cool. I'm not inside with the poop when dealing with the dust or the smell. Only takes a few minutes to rake out the poop! Then I go inside and spread around fresh shavings and all is well.
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Bandit37804, At
July 15, 2011 11:08 AM
I have 2 approx. 7 mo. old "I don't know what they are" chickens and I'm almost done building the coop out of pallets and any scrounged stuff I can find. I have it up on cement blocks but all I read it seems that might not be high enough? I know i will have to REALLY predator proof it as already I have signs of raccoon visit w/ feed being eaten @ nite (they are inside w/ me for right now @ night in an unused bathroom)....... my neighbor has chickens and she says my coop is fine. I plan to heat w/ ultra violet light bulb for now & pray the water doesn't freeze. The whole think is wired inside & out w/ wire mesh (1/4") and "chicken wire" w/ 2" insulation in the pallet openings.... just have to finish the door. They will have an outside area to run in the winter sun by using 2 straw bales and and old window from my neighbors house - saw the idea in a poultry mag.
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Unknown, At
August 17, 2011 8:03 PM
This lady is deluded if she thinks her system is applicable to others or mimics the process of people raising chickens the last several thousand years.
I will agree that her system is great for easy cleaning and aesthetic purposes. But her initial costs runs up 5-10 times the amount than normal people can afford to implement chickens in their backyard. And those extra cakes are an expensive cost for maintaining livestock. U will have healthy chickens and eggs if the chickens have plenty of space to forage, and sunlight. I have many chickens and sometimes i get lazy cleaning out there area they sleep in and/or keeping the food area and water clean, and my chickens are never sick and i eat five or more eggs raw a day for years. No one should get discouraged if your coop and process isn't like this lady. Having your chickens live in mud in an outdoor cage is healthier than the chickens and eggs u buy at the store. Her model is for people who have a lot of free time, cash and who are handy.
Chickens are resilient! They are expected to live and dwell in their own feces. Sure its disgusting to see and to much time spending in their fecal matter is discouraged but if you have just a little space the problems this lady point out are a virtual non-issue.
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Romini, At
September 20, 2011 12:16 PM
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